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Originally Posted by Mike
Did you suss out what the problem was :?:
Mike...
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Hi Mike - not sussed anything out yet ... not been in work an awful lot for last 2 weeks, hectic back pain so my concentration level has been zero

but hopefully getting back to normal soon so i can look at all the options.
thanks guys for all your suggestions and help
Nutty_ZA - its a travel database for work ... i may just take you up on your offer, if your still offering help and if i still cant figure it out, and send you what i've done so far.